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In preparation for his coffee table
book - "Simon Bull - A Celebration Of Life", published
in May 2001, the artist was interviewed extensively. By selecting
one of the questions below you will be taken directly to his
reply.
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This interview represents the most comprehensive
collection of Simon's thoughts on painting, life, family and
creativity so far published.
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Q: How do you feel when you are painting?
Do you get into a special state of mind to do so, and what
time of day do you work, day or night, etc?
Q: How do you feel after a good day at work?
Q: What does painting do for you besides
pay the bills and give you notoriety?
Q: What would happen to you if you weren't
allowed to paint any more?
Q: Why are you so prolific? Is painting like
breathing to you?
Q: Can you imagine being colorblind?
Q: How does color feed you!
Q: How does your work affect people and their
lives and why? What really drives you?
Q: How does your work affect people?
Q: What are you doing right now that is
nerve wracking or beyond the familiar?
Q: Do you ever feel overwhelmed by the responsibility
you have in sharing a vision?
Q: What are the new voices inside your mind
and the new sensations in your heart?
What are the new images bouncing around in your head?
Q: How has making your work developed as
a consequence of your relationship with God?
Q: What really drives you?
Q: If you had all of your work on some gigantic
wall,
and you stood back and saw it all, what would it tell you
about the world?
Q: Is there a kind a narrative when you
look at the early work- what is that story?
Q: What did early teachers/parents tell
you about your work?
Q: Do you ever dream of work and then paint
it?
Q: The first time you remember you were
complimented or you've 'got it'?
Q: Where's that name from, in other words,
how do you get to title your work?
Q: Where does the vivid and bright color
palette come from? What's the inspiration?
Q: Would you be so kind as to look out of
the window and describe the feeling that you get looking out
of your window?
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| How do you
feel when you are painting? Do you get into a special state
of mind to do so, and what time of day do you work, day or night,
etc? |
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When I'm painting, I'm not too sure if I
concentrate on how I feel, because it's like a dialogue between
me and the painting. I put a mark down, say a piece of red,
and then I think, well it needs a bit of green here or it
needs a big flat area of gray over to the right. I'm always
thinking about how the painting looks and I'm dialoguing with
it, so I can go through a whole range of emotions on a surface
level when I'm painting, but I think, for me, the process
of painting connects to something which is a lot deeper than
the surface feelings, although probably circumstances at the
time do find their way into my work, some times more than
others.
With regard to getting into a special sort
of zone for painting, I like the idea of having my own studio
which is just my own private space, where I can just listen
to my music and just phase out and paint. I think I probably
work better in those circumstances. In fact at the moment
we're having the studio remodeled and new offices built so
I can actually do this, because at the moment it feels like
I actually work in a corridor. I do have a lovely big studio,
but in order to access their offices, people have to come
through the studio, and the kettle is in my personal area,
so everyone comes and invades my space to make a cup of tea!
However, in a way, and I'm not sure whether this is usual
or unusual for artists, but I can be surrounded by the whole
buzz of business, phones going, people coming in and out with
deliveries, people talking, people doing stuff, but I'm just
standing in the middle of it painting. I suppose it's a bit
like Andy Warhol in his factory - he'd be there doing his
work and there would be like a hundred people running around.
I've never particularly needed solitude in order to work and,
in a way, I think I get a lot of energy from the people around
me, I'll be working on two or three canvases and, if I'm excited
about something, I'll turn round and say, "hey guys,
check this out, what do you think?" and they'll say,
"great" and I'll think, fantastic, and I'll just
put a bit more into it, or they'll say, "hmmm, don't
like that, don't know about that" and I think "give
me a break" and I'll sort of stand back and think about
it and go back on the offensive.
This leads onto the point about what time
of day do I paint. Now, depending on the rhythms of my life,
if I've got a lot going on in the day and I really have to
get some paintings finished for a show and I feel really strongly
about what I need to get out and I need to concentrate, I
go into the studio first thing in the morning. I'll get up
about 4am and work through until about 7 or 8am and then I'll
take a break and maybe do some office work, then get back
to painting after lunch. But I'd say on the average day I
mosey into the office around about 8.30am and go through stuff
with Christine/Barbara in the office and as soon as I feel
that I've covered the basic kind of administrative stuff in
the office, I move downstairs to the studio and start working,
I'll work intermittently, depending on what I'm doing. If
I'm doing some etching, I'll work in conjunction with Daniel,
who's my technician, so I'll work on the plates, and when
they're ready I hand them over to him, and then I'll go back
up to the office and do some more work. Usually when I'm painting,
I like to start first thing in the morning or after lunch.
I like to give myself plenty of time, so after lunch I'll
start painting and I'll really get into it.
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| How do you
feel after a good day at work? |
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Well, it depends. A painting is, like I
said, a dialogue, so if I've come to the end of a series of
paintings and I'm happy with them, then yeah, I suppose I
feel great, but usually, you know, when you leave a painting
and go through to dinner, it's still speaking to you. That
is one of the things I find a little bit tricky, because the
painting is constantly calling you back, I can sometimes find
it a little bit difficult to switch off from what's going
on in my head and the dialogue that I'm having with the painting
and other stuff. So, once I really start to engage in the
painting, I tend to stay pretty close to it until it's finished,
and when I finish a painting or a project - by that I mean
a series of monoprints or a program of etchings or whatever
- then I feel great. You've come to the end of a chapter and
you can review it and you've achieved what you wanted and
it's great, then you can move on, but while I'm in the middle
of a program or if I'm approaching a new series of work, then
it tends to be pretty much all absorbing.
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| What does
painting do for you besides pay the bills and give you notoriety?
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Really, it's a very interesting question,
because, does one work as a means of paying the bills? My
philosophy is, that all work is service, and although we all
work "for a living", the reason why we're able to
make a living out of the majority of the things that people
do, is because other people need those things. For example,
we have a need for teachers to teach our children, we have
a need for doctors, nurses, TV engineers, or road repairers,
anything you can think of, and if anybody is willing or able
to do that job, they're actually providing a service to humankind
and, in their small way, making the world a better place.
There is a financial incentive and reward for doing those
jobs because you get paid, which enables you to buy food and
live. I know it's a very simple way of looking at things,
but with my painting, it's very easy to get caught up in the
commercial aspect of it, in that a painting is a product which
can be sold and which generates income for yourself and very
many people. Ultimately, though, you have to be asking yourself
the very true, the very real, the very deep questions that,
although I get paid for a painting through the sale of it,
what is the service I'm really offering? A schoolteacher is
actually training my children, but what does an artist do,
what am I doing, and the question that we're looking at here
is what does painting do for you? Well, I suppose painting
does a lot for me, but it's really what it does for others
that excites me and interests me. What happens to me as a
result of painting is in some ways a by-product and the way
that I can answer this question is probably taking in a number
of other answers, so bear with me.
I remember teaching myself how to paint
in watercolors when I was at college. My first watercolors
were not particularly brilliant, although looking back on
them, they're actually not so bad, but I remember going out
onto the moorlands outside Leeds where I was at college and
painting some scenes of the hills and moors and looking at
them and feeling very satisfied thinking that this was great,
that for the first time I felt that I was saying what I wanted
to say in the way that I wanted to say it, it was an incredible
feeling, a very empowering feeling, having struggled with
the materials and finally dominating them to such an extent
that I was able to let the river flow.
So, in answer to your question of what does
painting do for me, it gives me a buzz, obviously, the whole
thing of being a communicator is that you get a buzz out of
what you do, but primarily, because I suppose the direction
of my art is always out towards people, ultimately I get my
buzz out of the reaction that the work has with people. For
example, when I first started developing my new way of working,
I did have some very supportive people around me at that time,
and still do in actual fact. People that were excited about
what I was doing and believed in it and also believed in me.
That gave me tremendous confidence to push through, break
new barriers and change the way I was working even more. I
think that when I see people responding to the work, then
that's what it's all about as far as I'm concerned. I often
say, when I speak to art students "don't forget (and
it's not politically correct to say this) but if you're an
artist, you're in the entertainment industry." Not that
you're here to entertain as some kind of shallow thing, but
the purpose of art as far as I'm concerned, is to make the
world a better place.
Through developing inner life - this is
one of the main purposes for the arts. The role of a doctor
is to heal people, but we need the arts to be here because
they make the passage through this world a more pleasant experience.
The purpose is to enrich people in their daily living and
to create paintings that will enhance and develop thought
processes and reflection, which will help people to understand
more of their experience of being human. To widen people's
understanding, to open their eyes, to enrich and spiritually
nourish people, to delight and to fill the heart and mind
with a sense of wonder, to take something common but perhaps
otherwise unnoticed, bring it to the fore and create a sense
of delight in the viewer as their eyes are opened to see a
tree in a new light, or to see a flower in a new way, to look
at people in a new way, or to hear music differently, to widen
people's understanding of themselves and the world in which
they live, to deepen people's responses to other people. This
is the job of the artist - this is my role and this is my
life's calling. What I like about it is that the real heart
of the process is non verbal, a person is confronted with
a painting or a series of images and the painting is received
through light waves hitting their retina.
It's a sensuous thing, received by the senses
and it's abstract in the sense that it's subjective in its
interpretation, so you could paint a beautiful red flower,
just as God would make a beautiful red flower, and to a Muslim,
a Jew, a Christian, a Hindu, an atheist, a communist, their
eye receives the red from that flower. This is a universal
language; it's not tied down to any philosophy or theology.
This is the common experience of mankind and this is my language,
I like to think that although I personally am a Christian,
the language that I use, because it's a language that God
has entwined into Nature, is universal, it speaks to most
of us. Everybody, whatever their cultural background, responds
to love, responds to warmth, responds to nourishment, and
that's the language that I use in my art.
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| What would
happen to you if you weren't allowed to paint any more? |
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This sounds like a very simple question
but the answer is quite interesting because it's a theological
answer in a way since it depends on how you see the world
and, for me, as a believer - as a Christian - it's like this,
I believe that God has a plan for my life, therefore the most
important thing that I can do with my life is to discover
God's plan for it and throw myself into that. I believe that
God opens doors for me to live according to his way and closes
doors for me as well if he wants me to do something else.
I said to God that although I was at art college at that time
studying to be an artist and although it was my passion to
be an artist, I basically said, "look - let's make this
clear, what is most important to me is to do what You want,
if You want me to do some other job other than be an artist,
then that's fine, no problem. If you want me to be a builder
or a shop assistant, anything like that, that's fine, whatever
you want, but for now you've got me into this art thing and
we'll see where it leads". That was a very important
time for me in my life because I did not want to worship art
and make a god out of it. I suppose what I wanted to do with
my life was to offer it to God, knowing that His path which
He would chose for me would be the best. So that if, for example,
He wanted me to be an artist, then He would actually make
that possible, so, if he closed the door and I wasn't able
to paint then He must want to open up something else. You
might think that if I couldn't paint now, then that would
be the end of the world, that it would be really terrible,
but it would not necessarily be so. I don't want to make it
sound as though painting doesn't mean that much to me and
I could drop it tomorrow - that's not the case at all, it's
just that the more I go on in life the more I realize that
God has put me on this earth to express something from Him
through the medium of painting, and I know that's one of the
reasons why I'm here. Okay, I may have some tragic accident
and life may take on a different direction, perhaps I'd be
paralyzed from the neck down and would only be able to paint
with a brush between my teeth - but who knows - I trust God
that He will open the way for whatever lies ahead. The real
point is that, for now, I paint and I feel empowered to do
so.
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| Why are you
so prolific? Is painting like breathing to you? |
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The answer to these two questions follows
on from the last statement I was making about the river. Is
painting like breathing to me? - Well, yes and no, I'm not
quite sure what you mean by that, but basically I can paint
and I can draw. I mastered the skills - that doesn't present
a problem. The problem is - what am I painting about? What
am I saying through the painting? I suppose that's where the
breathing thing comes in, because breathing is something that
you do automatically, 24 hours a day - whether you think about
it or not - unless you happen to be jogging or something and
you realize how out of breath you are, but there's no way
painting can be like breathing in some ways - painting is
like holding a conversation, it's like meditation - it can
be a very physical thing too - with my larger paintings it's
like climbing into them. I would say that for me, painting
is - to use the river analogy again - it's like the river
outpouring. It's like the brush held in my hand becomes an
extension of something within and is a pouring out, it's like
I become a vessel, like a jug of some sort pouring something
out onto the canvas and the more I do it, the more I find
inside to pour out.
In answer to the next question, of I am
why so prolific, I suppose a sense of urgency is why. A few
years back, it was like there were so many images bouncing
around in my head I felt, oh my goodness, I just have to get
these images out - I just have to do it - and the more I unpack
them the more I find down there. It's very strange but it's
a very beautiful thing to have , I suppose, that 'reservoir',
and let it flow.
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| Can you imagine
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Well, that's another interesting one. You
see, color wasn't the first thing about art that started turning
me on and I know we talked about the color in my work, but
there's something that I've not often shared with people -
and I suppose a book would be a great way of doing it - but
there's something that's actually more important to me than
color and something that I arrived at much earlier - in my
mid teens - and that was tone, or I should say, light and
dark. To me, these are the fundamentals. Black and white,
the interplay of light and shade, light, dark, the polarity
between the light and the dark - those two concepts, as a
philosophy in themselves, are very powerful and they under
gird all my work. Because of light, color is possible, but
without the light first there can be no color. When I started
out in my teens as a very keen photographer, I had my own
darkroom at school and I did a lot of black and white photography,
all my own processing and I also worked a lot with pen and
ink and with pencil, and that built in my subconscious an
ability to see and to break things down into the simplest
forms - one side black and one side white. So, if I was color
blind, it would be terrible, but there would still be tonalities,
there would still be the whole chiaroscuro of shadow and the
whole brightness of light and there would be the whole world
standing out against the darkness - fantastic.
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| How does color
feed you? |
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Color interprets the light. The light is
so bright that you can't see it, but color breaks the light
down and makes it understandable as through color we see light
and through light we see God. Those are concepts that we could
take another chapter to discuss but what happens is that color
plays a melody on the retina which is very pleasant and, when
I first moved into the house where we live now, it was decorated
in very bland colors - the dining room would all be painted
brown, everything in the bathroom would be blue - the walls
would be blue, the carpet blue - and everything was done in
this house in a way that was very unpleasant really and I
felt at that time that what the house needed were some slabs
of red - so I started transforming the house with red paintings
and everyone felt better.
I'm going to talk more now about the question
of why I am so prolific, what about my pace of working? I
was saying earlier that there were reasons for being so prolific,
in a sense that I feel there are a lot of images in me that
I would like to get out but, talking about the speed of painting
as opposed to output raises a number of other issues that
are quite important. It's about a rhythm of living I think,
and the way that I work is quite physical, the paintbrush
becomes an extension of my body, it's like a dance. Every
brushmark is very much connected to the soul through the body
so that there's a sense of rhythm, a sense of flowing, and
that, by very nature, is quite spontaneous and quite direct.
One of my lecturers, when I was back at Leeds Poly, used to
say, "don't work from the wrist, think of working from
the elbow, or the shoulder or even from the waist". He
was a great fan of Jackson Pollock and the abstract expressionists,
and he was actually quite inspirational to me back then. That
idea of working from the waist lives very much in my art today
in that the marks give a kind of history, if you like, to
my bodily movements during the creation of the piece and so
I would like to think that, rather than working from the wrist,
the elbow, the shoulder or the waist, it's a full body thing,
even when I'm working with detailed work. There's a sense
that your whole body is involved.
On the question of what I give to my audience,
I think I've covered most of that topic. I'm giving them a
window, a launch pad to step beyond the everyday; I'm giving
them triggers to release keys to their imagination, to help
them develop inner life. I'm talking about the world of the
imagination, the world where the mind can be richly expanded.
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| How does your
work affect people and their lives and why? What really drives
you? |
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You should really ask "the people"
that one, but…… going back to the question of what
I am really giving, I would also say that one of the reasons
why I think I have been successful, apart from the long years
of training - (I was at art college for four years and then
really trained myself for many years and was at school learning
through a disciplined regime for three years before that).
Despite the years of apprenticeship, I would say now that
I was able to communicate my feelings through my work and
I feel that I am honest in my painting. What I feel and what
I think is all out there on the canvas, and although that
makes me vulnerable in some ways, I think that anybody who
is really creative is really wanting to give of themselves.
When I used to teach at Leeds University one day a week, I
found that one of the biggest problems art students have is
being honest about their feelings in their work. They thought
that they had to do work to please the teachers, or get marks
and they felt that what they wanted to do was not really important,
or would not be respected, or they would be rejected if they
put out on the canvas what they wanted to do.
I think we always run the risk of rejection,
there's no doubt about it, that critics or people won't like
you, or your work won't be accepted or it won't sell. These
are all anxieties that obviously play in the background, but
you have to rise above that and you have to bring something
from the inside and put it on the surface and unless you can
do that you haven't really started.
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| How does your
work affect people? |
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The feedback that I've received from people
is that if you have work which is happy or whimsical or lighthearted,
you are giving permission to people to feel that way. Because
I'm able to get in touch with my own feelings and express
myself through the work, people seem to be able to connect
with their own feelings as a result. There's a sense in which
you're saying to people, "it's okay" and that's
one thing that people tell me they get from my work, it makes
them feel happy, better, gives them hope, inspires them, brings
light to their world.
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| What are
you doing right now that is nerve wracking or beyond the familiar?
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Living, getting through this day. When I
was first married, Joanna and I used to have a saying and
we still have it to this day - "there's always another
opportunity for faith." And I think that the whole process
of being a person is by its very nature, nerve wracking, I
mean anything could happen. "Stocks can go up as well
as down". You don't know what the future holds, or indeed
what the rest of the day holds but I must say that I very
rarely feel that anything in my life is nerve wracking and
there's one very simple reason for that. There can be many
nerve wracking things going on in my life, every day, when
you run a business and you've got a family, but do I allow
these things to stress me? Sometimes I do, but I found through
my relationship with God, as a Christian, I have found peace.
A friend of mine recently wrote me in their Christmas letter
that, "if you want to know the peace of God, you first
need to come to know the God of peace". I have honestly
found in my experience that believing in God gives me a great
sense of peace and confidence because I feel that he has a
plan for my life and that if I trust him and follow him he
will lead me on that path. The Bible says stuff like "you
have made straight paths for our feet" and "you
will hear a voice in your ear saying that this is the way,
walk on it". I have experimented with these concepts
over many years and found that they work, and I draw on them
whenever I have a new experience which is beyond the familiar
- which is most days! It's an interesting question, what am
I doing right now that is beyond the familiar? As I sit here
dictating this I am looking at a great big stack of empty
canvases waiting to be painted. I've got to pick up a canvas
and make something, create something on it that is new - bring
something out of the void - so the whole process of creating
in itself is stepping beyond the familiar and I've learnt
to live with it over the years and developed a confidence
with it. I don't enjoy being stupid, foolish or reckless,
but I do enjoy the challenge of moving into new areas, new
territory and so on.
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| Do you ever
feel overwhelmed by the responsibility you have in sharing a
vision? |
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No, I don't, because I don't see it like
that, and if you start focusing on that sort of thing, it
can seize you up and you can't communicate. It's a joy to
share my vision - it's not like a duty or a responsibility
that I have to do this. I don't have to trawl deep to find
the resources to do this. This is like a fountain or a spring,
which is forever bubbling up, which I just have to let out
and direct and then it takes on a life of its own.
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| What are
the new voices inside your mind and the new sensations in your
heart? What are the new images bouncing around in your head?
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I've just completed a few paintings of the
ocean - three paintings of the Big Sur coastline and one from
Greece. The Big Sur images grew out of one day that I spent
painting with Thomas Kinkade down at Rocky Point - we had
a wonderful time, the weather was very calm, very dull, and
it felt like the ocean was breathing. The swell rose and fell
against the rocks, there were no waves breaking, there was
just this rhythmic rise and fall of the water. When I came
back to the studio, I started quite a large painting looking
out across the ocean based on drawings made that day and,
as I painted, the idea came to me that this was just like
where life meets eternity. When we come to the edge of the
land and the land meets the ocean - an interface - the land
stops, everything familiar and secure that we understand and
everything that we know comes to a place where it meets the
unfamiliar, it meets the ocean, which stretches, limitless,
eternal, and kind of beckons to us, maybe the light that glints
on the horizon is a sense of what we're called out to understand,
or explore, or travel beyond the horizon to see. I suppose
it's like a spiritual thing, a challenge, life is so much
like that - there's always something beyond that we're called
to go into the unknown to explore fresh territories, make
new friends, understand new things or there comes a point
where life meets death, and is there anything beyond that?
- is there anything beyond that? Is that the end when you
come to the end of the land? Is that it - do we just drop
off the planet? Or do we find something even more glorious
as we push out across the water? So, those were some of the
ideas in my mind when I painted "Big Sur", and a
few weeks after that I just recently finished a painting called
"Welcoming Shores", which is based on a drawing
that I did when I was in Greece. Actually, Howard Behrens,
Thomas Kinkade and myself worked on our paintings and drawings
at this location at the same time when we were in Greece last
summer, and I brought my sketch back and I worked on this
piece and as I was painting it, it seemed like almost the
opposite of "Big Sur" which was about the uncertainties
of life as we come to a vast experience, and this was a painting
of a harbor with a path leading up into the mountains and
cottages, and I painted it in very ethereal colors, ocean
blue, yellow ochre and orange and it seemed to me that it
was about having crossed the water, having stepped out, you
come onto a new land and you moor the boat in the harbor and
you make your way up the steps into something fresh, into
a new experience and - in a way - it's about heaven - you
arrive on the other shore and you put your feet on the stairs
and move into the wonderful things that await you. Those are
some of the thoughts that have been in my mind recently, primarily
because of some of the circumstances that are surrounding
me at the moment which are making me think about our mortality,
but they're not the only thoughts that I've been having. I've
been doing a series of abstracts recently that are about moving
towards the light, going through darkness towards the light
and moving through new doors. I suppose the ideas that are
with me at the moment are about eternity, the vastness of
eternity, glimpses of something beyond, the sense that all
that we are and all that we know is going to be outshone by
what is to come, and that life is overwhelmingly optimistic
because it doesn't end with this life - it goes on. The light
beyond this life is something to look forward to. This life
has it's ups and downs, it's full of difficulties and it's
full of beauty and wonder and love and great people, but all
that there is good about this life is going to be even better
in the next life.
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| How has making
your work developed as a consequence of your relationship with
God? |
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This is a twofold answer. One is purely
on a business standpoint. As you can imagine, unless your
fairy godmother comes along and gives you a salary to live
off, the whole process of surviving financially as an artist,
especially in the early days, is extremely fraught and I found
various solutions to that over the years, but none better
than believing that God wanted me to be an artist and therefore
that he would provide for me. What happens is that I read
the Bible and I get ideas from the Bible about how to live
my life - it's pretty straightforward really. There's a book
in the Old Testament called Nehemiah about this guy who comes
back from his job working for the King in Babylon and he hears
that the wall of Jerusalem has been broken down and is in
ruins so he asked the King if he could have leave of absence
to rebuild the wall. The king grants permission and so he
takes a team of people with him to rebuild the wall. The task
of rebuilding is difficult because there is a lot of opposition
from surrounding tribes and it's actually very discouraging,
it's very hard work, very intensive and they seem to take
one step forward and then two steps back, but he makes this
declaration in the second chapter, verse 20, and he says:
"The God of Heaven Himself will
prosper us,
Therefore we, His servants, will arise and build."
I would say that this simple scripture has
been pivotal in motivating me to continue developing the business
side of my career and as a means of supporting me on the creative
side because I fundamentally believed that God Himself would
prosper me, God Himself would open the way, and because I
believed that, I was therefore confident to "arise and
build", to get off my backside and paint those pictures
knowing that it would come to something. When you're a younger
artist, you're never in a situation where somebody some day
comes along and says, "hey you're a great artist, you're
going to have a wonderful career, everything's going to be
fine, everything will be wonderful, just you paint all your
pictures and it'll all turn out great". It never happens,
you make your own future and your whole life is spent charting
through unknown territory. You never have many role models
to go by, whether in art or business, you're doing something
which is effectively new, as far as you're concerned at least,
and you just have to trust and I feel that scriptures such
as this have given me the confidence to go ahead, even when
financially things have been very difficult, and you wonder
sometimes how you're going to carry on, raising a family,
developing the business and staying creative and doing new
work all at the same time.
I would say that my work has drawn me close
to God in the sense that my relationship with God has had
to work. It would not have been possible for me to do what
I have done. If my belief in God was just like a set of formulae
or a philosophy that didn't actually work, I mean it's had
to work. I've had to say to God, "well, there is no more
money this week, we've got the mortgage going out next week
and I've got no sales on the horizon, you said you were going
to bless me, so what are you going to do about it?" I
have found, time and time again, that something shows up.
Believing in God has to make a difference to everyday life
or what is the point of faith? It's not just a case of making
ends meet. I have gained in confidence over the years, knowing
that this was what God wanted me to do gave me an increasing
sense of confidence that what I'm doing is going to make a
difference to people's lives.
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| What really
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I like to think that I'm led and not driven.
You know, you're talking about a leading, a voice calling
you out to discover and express, a whisper here, a beckoning
there, to a sense of adventure. I feel I want to make something
very beautiful, I want to create a very powerful emotional
experience for people. When people see my work, I want them
to be affected. I like the big experience; I like the crescendo
at the end of the movie when everyone gets the Kleenex out.
There are moments like that when everything comes together
and I love to talk about big life experiences.
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| If you had
all of your work on some gigantic wall,and you stood back and
saw it all, what would it tell you about the world? |
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That's not a question that I can answer,
other than by saying that it's a question that can only be
answered by individuals. The beauty of painting, drawing,
or any visual art, is that you create something and then another
person sees it and they bring their experience, their values
to that piece and they relate to it completely independently
from you, and so it means one thing to one person and it means
another thing to another person. No picture has an exact interpretation:
that must be perceived by the individual. You create the opportunity
for an individual to relate to your work in a way that is
not dissimilar to relate to it at the time you are creating
it.
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| Is there
a kind a narrative when you look at the early work? What is
that story? |
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I'm sure there is, if you look at some of
my earlier work. I had my first show when I was 18 years old
in Hong Kong, and there are paintings from that show in which
you can see the roots of what I'm doing now, and I find that
very interesting. When you look back and see that there are
themes and ideas that have always interested me, even though
I've not been aware of it at the time, I think you can see
a development. Obviously when you look at the whole narrative
from the very beginning you can see the scale, the technique.
I think more than anything else in the last few years you
see how a disciplined approach in the early years finally
led to an explosion that is what we have now.
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| What did
early teachers/parents tell you about your work? |
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I've written about early teachers in the
story about my drawing teacher at school, Colonel Starkey,
but the earliest teacher that I had and that I can remember,
and certainly a very influential one, was at Cromwell School
in Germany in 1964. I forget her name but she stands out for
three reasons:- one is that I still have the school photo
with the teacher's arm on my shoulder as 'teacher's pet',
the other one is because she sadly had a nervous breakdown
during one of our lessons, she finally cracked and I always
remember that as a very strange experience for a six or seven
year old child. We were in the classroom and she was just
sitting there, staring into space and we were all moving around
the classroom and going into the store cupboard and getting
out of control. She was very artistic and I remember her showing
me how to make sculptures out of plasticine, I made a zebra
that I was very proud of and I remember it to this day. She
also showed us how you could take a piece of paper, make a
square on it, and draw lines in a crisscross pattern across
the paper and then color in all the different shapes in different
colors, and she called it a 'pattern'. I used to absolutely
love doing those patterns and, when I look back, that was
such a powerful early experience because that's what I do
now in my work today, I just work within the 4 corners of
a canvas or a piece of paper and I compose and create shapes,
balancing one against the other.
When it came to the High School Art Prize,
I never won it because it was decided it wouldn't be fair
to give me the art prize because it wouldn't have been fair
to the other pupils and so they always gave it to the best
improver!
I got a lot of encouragement from my parents,
in fact, this Christmas just gone I went down to my father's
old church in Barkham, just outside Reading, where he used
to be the vicar in the 70s, and I met one of the old guys
there who used to know my dad and he said' "do you know,
Simon, I always remember your dad saying to me when I asked
him about you and what job you wanted to do, he would say
I don't know if Simon's going to be an artist, but if he ever
has a proper job then he'll never be an artist" and I
have to say that my father was very supportive of me being
an artist and making a living out of it and although he wasn't
in business as such, being a clergyman, he always had a very
strong organization and business streak in his personality.
He always kept a few chickens or pigs on the side and made
a few extra bucks. I think one of the things I learned from
my father in this respect is that I saw the independence of
a self employed lifestyle. An artist has to make his own life
and decide his own schedule and the clergyman in the same
way has got Sunday morning service and regular meetings, but
beyond that he has to make his own schedule and has to make
a difference with his daily living and my life has turned
out almost the same as his in some ways in that I make my
own schedule and I seek to make a difference. I'm looking
for an improvement in the world, in the lives of the people
that I meet and can be touched with my work, to leave them
better than I found them, so, maybe I'm a clergyman after
all!
Also on the question of what did early teachers
tell you about your work, one of the former students of my
college is a guy called Norman Ackroyd who became Norman Ackroyd
RA (Royal Academy) and he is quite a well known etcher in
this country and he was quite famous when I was at college
- he was one of the 'stars' and he used to come back and do
teaching every now and again and he came up to my studio when
I was in my final year at college and he was looking at my
work and I was telling him how I wanted to go professional
when I left college and he said "forget it." Strangely
enough, I think that was a really positive statement, it helped
me a lot because I thought - "give me a break, I don't
need you to tell me whether I'm going to be a professional
artist or not", so it was very good - it was like negative
encouragement. I was provoked to make even more of an effort
to make sure that it did happen, but I understand too that
he gave me very sound advice, I mean to anybody who wants
to be an artist and do it as a living, you might as well forget
it. Why subject yourself to that amount of stress, why not
go and work for a bank, at a supermarket, make a living from
day one - why kill yourself? But there are some of us who
are so obsessed that we are prepared to kill ourselves for
20 years before finally breaking out.
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| Do you ever
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No, but when I'm awake I do see things in
my mind's eye and then come back to the studio and paint them.
I've got a piece in front of me here in the studio called
"Foundation". I was driving my kids back from the
Youth Club and in my mind's eye I saw this amazing image which
is like a grid of red squares on the left and green on the
right and I thought - wouldn't that be a beautiful piece -
and I just sat there in the car looking at it in my mind's
eye and then I came in and painted it and when I finished,
I realized that it was like a digital code for all my work
and I learnt through looking at that piece to see in my own
work that there is a light side and a dark side to most of
my paintings and there's a day and a night in every piece
that I do. This painting is very simple but I call it Foundation
because it shows a lot of the ideas underlying my work in
a very clear way.
Generally though, no, I don't dream stuff
and then go and paint it. My dreams tend to be pretty similar
to everybody else's i.e. a jumble of what happened last week
or whatever, but my waking thoughts are much clearer and I
definitely see things in my head and get a perception of something
that I'd like to do and then I paint it. I see it, then I
start putting the marks down and I dialogue with the marks,
and what you have is a compromise between what I first saw
and what has been spoken to me by the painting.
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| The first
time you remember you were complimented or you've 'got it'?
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There are lots of little anecdotes I suppose
on this one. I've already described the time when I remember
making abstract drawings in class and the zebra out of plasticine
when I was in primary school but also, back in 1964, when
I was six, I remember my brother and I used to go down every
Saturday morning to the matinee performance of the ABC Cinema
in York. The matinee club was called the ABC Minors and it
cost us sixpence to get in. We used to go down on the bus
and queue up with all the other little kids outside to see
John Wayne and all the old black and white cowboy movies.
They also used to run games and competitions and, one time,
they had a coloring competition which I entered. One week
my brother and I decided to sit up in the balcony, it was
the first time we'd actually sat up there and it was during
this particular session that they announced the winners of
the coloring competition. To my amazement I was announced
as one of the winners and I went into a panic because I was
in the balcony and I didn't know how to get down to the stage
but I managed to run out the back and down the stairs where
the stewards directed me to the front. I climbed up onto the
stage which was one of those old fashioned cinema stages -
real fifties/sixties style - and I remember standing in a
round spotlight receiving a prize of a slingball kit which
was a spoon-shaped plastic tennis racket and ball and that
was my prize. As soon as the show was over that day, I remember
getting on the bus with my brother and playing slingball back
in the garden at home. So obviously that was encouragement
- that was a good laugh!
The final section is not based on questions
that have been asked but I thought it would be a useful section
to add. "Tell us how you met your wife, etc." This
is the story, Joanna and I met at school - we both went to
the same boarding school - which is the Royal Russell School
in Croydon, South London. Joanna went from the age of seven
to eighteen, and I went from the age of eleven to eighteen.
The school was in purpose-built buildings which were very
elegant, designed by a famous architect in the 1920s. The
grounds were landscaped with woodland and so on, 130 acres,
which is an incredible situation in London - a paradise in
the middle of the city. The school had an outdoor swimming
pool next to the cricket field and in the summer it was quite
a popular place to hang out. Back in 1973, when I was fifteen
and Jo was sixteen, we first got to know each other. The summer
of '73 was a really hot summer. Joanna was in my brother's
year and I never thought of her as girlfriend material as
she was older than me, but we got to know each other well
and became good mates and had a lot of laughs together. The
following term, at the Halloween Dance (every Saturday night
we used to have a school dance - but every now and again there
would be a special one and the Halloween Dance was one of
the special ones.) I was actually trying to catch the eye
of another girl at the time and she was playing hard to get.
I asked her to dance and she suddenly realized she wanted
to go to the bathroom at that particular time, which was very
convenient because at that moment Joanna came up to me and
said why don't we have this dance together, so we did and
that was 27 years ago and we've been together ever since!
At the school the guys lived in boys' houses and the girls
lived in girls' houses and you walked your date back to their
house and we had our first kiss - which was very romantic
- so we were inseparable from then on and used to spend all
our spare time walking in the woods and hanging around together
and it was great. Four years later, in 1977, we got married
and that was after my first year at Art School and after Joanna's
first year at Bradford School of Physiotherapy. We moved into
a flat on the top two floors of an old terraced house in Bradford.
Bradford is a northern industrial town in England that grew
up over the last couple of hundred years as a wool center.
My mother was born in Bradford and in fact that's where David
Hockney comes from, so it has some interesting artistic connections.
In fact, my next-door neighbor in the flat we first lived
in used to be at school with David Hockney and it's an interesting
place, but we lived there for fourteen years in three different
houses. Our first apartment consisted of the top two floors,
with our lounge-cum-studio above and the floor below it had
the kitchen, bedroom and bathroom. We used to have a coin-operated
electricity meter where you had to put in coins to get electricity
but we had some great times there and I've got quite a few
drawings still from those days when I would draw Joanna in
the flat and I did a lot of still life paintings there. The
lighting in that apartment was extremely good and I always
remember it because it was my first real studio - it was a
typical 'artist's garret' because it was an attic room, but
it was very romantic - the good old early days!
After four years there, we moved to a place
called Waverley Terrace, which was the first house that we
bought - it cost us £9,750 in fact - and it was a little
terraced house that we absolutely loved. It had a little garden
out the back, which I landscaped, and once again the top floor
- the attic - I converted into my studio. This was where I
installed my first little etching press and it was there that
I started getting into etching after I left college. It was
while we were in Waverley Terrace that we had our first child
in September 1983 - Christopher Phillip - and so we became
parents, which was a pretty awesome experience. He was soon
to be followed by Rebecca and then Katherine. At the same
time as Rebecca was born we moved house again to Pasture Lane,
Bradford, which was a much bigger house and there, we converted
the entire basement area into a studio which gave me a big
working area for the printing and a separate room for my main
office/studio and also a separate room for processing the
plates and so on. Whilst we were living there Katherine was
born and ten years later, after moving up to the Lake District,
we had Annabel Chloe in November 1997.
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| Where's that
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Well, when I first started working in this
more colorful way in the mid-90s, I thought about ways of
titling my work that would increase the overall impact of
the piece and actually add something to it. I was looking
for titles that would pull the person further into the picture
and enable them to develop their own story and their own ideas
about the piece. An example of one of the early monoprints
that I did was a bowl of flowers with some red tulips and
green leaves, it was very loosely painted, and I called it
"Look To Your Dreams". So, although perhaps a few
years previously I would have called it something like "Tulips
In A Gold Vase I" or something really boring like that,
I now was able to widen the interpretation of the piece by
giving it a title that inspired hope, and that pointed the
viewer in the direction of looking to their dreams, so the
idea was that the piece was about red tulips on one level,
but on another level it was a painting about optimism and
hope and the possibilities of all that could lie ahead in
the future. The idea is to inspire people to look to their
dreams and reach out and hold onto their dreams, to keep on
believing, despite the difficulties and challenges that arise
to stop those dreams coming to pass. The phrase came from
the song by The Carpenters, and in fact a lot of my titles
come from music - from pop music or things that I hear on
the radio or ideas I pull out from my head. I remember calling
one piece "Together", and there's a piece called
"'Made For Each Other" - many of my titles are deliberately
romantic, because I also want to make my work a kind of focus
to bring people together. For example, when a guy goes into
an art gallery and sees this piece called "Made For Each
Other", he's drawn to it first, because it's red poppies
and he thinks it's beautiful, and then he thinks of his girlfriend
or wife and thinks: "what a great opportunity to share
this feeling". So he brings the painting home and says
"darling, we're made for each other" and it cements
them and gives an opportunity to express something about their
relationship. In this way, the art becomes a way of bringing
people together and encouraging people in building romance
and pleasure and the feel good factor into life. So you want
to inspire hope through your work and bring people together
through your work. You want to use the titles to uplift and
to point the mind of the viewer along the right lines, along
the lines of relationships, of romance, of getting a good
thing going.
Obviously there are other aspects. Sometimes
I'll call a piece 'Serenade' or 'Blue' or 'Red' or I'll just
call it a very simple title. In fact I've just called a new
series of etchings that I've just produced: "Blue",
"Red", "Yellow" and "Green",
because sometimes a title can just be very lightweight and
the minimalism of it can speak to you as well.
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| Where does
the vivid and bright color palette come from? What's the inspiration?
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For years I would work directly from life,
painting watercolors of animals, the landscape, interiors
etc and I would travel to the Mediterranean, the Himalayas.
Wherever I went I would take my paints, do a lot of plein
air painting and enjoy interacting with the landscape. During
this time, the paintings that I did of architecture, such
as windows, Georgian houses in London and the windows and
doorways of Mediterranean houses in Spain and Majorca, led
me to become interested in working inside homes and looking
out through the windows.
A friend of mine called Pauline lived in
a huge Victorian mansion in the Lake District, she was an
interior designer who used color in the interior space to
create what I can only describe as a sensation, and I worked
in her house for about a year painting the scenes out of her
windows, but then increasingly I actually painted interior
scenes of her house. For example, let me describe how the
house looked. The big family room, where the kitchen and dining
room was, had bottle green walls, and the armchairs and sofas
etc were all bright red with multicolored scatter cushions.
She had a large dining table covered with a mustard yellow
tablecloth with a great turquoise enamel plate in the middle
with some oranges on it and black chairs around the table.
One of the rooms was painted bright gloss red with a dark
blue ceiling, and a black marble fireplace stood out against
the red, and there were big oil paintings in thick gold frames.
After working at Pauline's for a while, I began to be intrigued
by the way the color in the house was actually affecting me.
To be honest, whenever you entered the house and walked into
a room, it gave you a kind of tingling sensation. There was
something very uplifting, something cleansing and very healing
about it - the way the colors worked together kind of created
a space that was a pleasure to be in, and I began thinking
about this with regard to my painting. I thought through the
concept of making color itself the subject of the art, and
so I embarked on a series of monoprints that focused on making
color the subject. As a result, the subject, whether it was
a vase of flowers or a landscape or an abstract, became pushed
into the background and the color itself became the subject.
When doing this I found that I was able to actually communicate
an emotion and a feeling in a much more powerful way than
just by painting a landscape as I saw it with my eyes. I began
to paint by seeing things with my heart and I started to go
beneath the surface. Painting a picture from then on ceased
to be about making it look like what I was looking at, but
creating a painting that stood up in it's own right, regardless
of whether it resembled the original subject or not. I began
to free myself from the constraints of representational work,
and focused instead on making the colors and marks within
the four edges of the canvas come alive, and work together
to create something that would make people feel good, cleansed,
invigorated, inspired and uplifted.
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| Explain your 'statement' to
a non-denominational audience |
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I feel every one of us born into this world
carries some special gift. It doesn't have to be one thing,
it can be many things, but we've all got a contribution to
the family of man. For me, it happens to be art and I can
speak to the world through the medium of painting, as can
many other artists, and I'm just one of many thousands of
artists in this generation, linked with all the generations
gone by. Something ties us all together - who knows what and
who knows why - but I believe that I have a responsibility
to bequeath to the world the images that I carry inside me,
to give birth to them. Rembrandt or Van Gogh or any other
of the great artists of the past, in their time, they were
maybe just making a living but they actually bequeathed something
to the world that generations later we get a great deal of
pleasure from. Now, it could be that when I die, nobody ever
hears anything of me again and my work just dissipates into
people's private collections and is destroyed and never seen
again, or it could be in museums, or considered interesting,
or great art - I don't know - but the point is that on any
given day I can actually paint a picture and I've made something
which will probably outlive me. I've said something but if
I just walked out on the street or did office work or went
shopping, whilst it may have value in itself and that's great,
it's a painting that I would have missed and an opportunity
to put down something that only I can do. There's a lot of
people that can paint, but there's only one Simon Bull, just
like there were a lot of people that could paint but only
one Van Gogh. There's people that have imitated his style
and I'm not trying to make out that I'm somebody extraordinary
or anything, it's just that I have my own particular way of
looking at the world which is completely unique. For example,
people have asked me this in the past, when I first started
doing my colorful etchings, people would ask me if I was concerned
that people would copy my work and take it to the market and
do really well with it and steal my market and I told them
I felt very unthreatened because people can copy my style
and I'd be delighted to tell people about how I do my work
and they can copy my style by all means, but nobody can get
inside my head, nobody can ever be me and as long as I'm true
to myself I don't need to worry about anyone else doing my
sort of thing. In fact, I'd love people to do more of my sort
of thing because - well, why shouldn't they? Norman Webster,
who taught me etching at Leeds Poly, always used to say "anybody
can be taught to draw but you cannot teach anybody to be an
artist" and I would say that's absolutely right. The
process of learning to draw is a technical ability that you
can learn but that kind of primitive urge to express yourself
through drawing and to want to speak in that language is something
that comes about through a combination of nature and nurture
- it's something that you're born with but also your circumstances
develop in you and - who knows why it is - but why else would
anybody commit to the bizarre sort of lifestyle that an artist
lives and, although I'm successful now, and in fact although
I've always been a professional artist, to be honest a lot
of my friends were living a lot more comfortably and a lot
more financially secure lifestyles many years before I was
and I often tell people to think twice about trying to become
an artist. To become a doctor you need 6 or 7 years in school
before you graduate but, if you want to be an artist think
even harder because you've probably got 20 years of poverty
lying ahead of you!
This has turned into quite a long explanation
about how God has been good to me etc. We all bring a gift
into this world - we all have an opportunity to leave this
world a better place or a worse place than we found it and,
for me, as a Christian, I believe that God can give me the
ability to do that, to leave this world a better place, to
make the journey of life more bearable for more people and
I believe that that will be something that is in a way the
mission of Christ. God sent His Son to bless us. The promise
in the Bible that God made to Abraham was "I will bless
you and make you a blessing" and in this sense, what
I mean by the Lord Jesus Christ will be glorified is that,
in other words by becoming involved in the same kind of work
that he was involved with, that is reaching out to people
with the love of God and expressing through my work the love
of God which calls people out into a relationship with him
and calls people to a place of peace and eternal rest, as
that happens through my work, then Christ is glorified and,
if you want to have that for a non denominational audience
you could say God is glorified or that the purposes of God
are being worked out through my art as people feel the love
of God coming through.
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| Would you
be so kind as to look out of the window and describe the feeling
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I'd like to describe the view that I get
looking out of my studio window. The studio is actually an
old sandstone barn built about 230 years ago, which was recently
lovingly restored, retaining all it's original features. The
big arched doorway where the old horses and carts would have
come through has now been turned into a large window overlooking
the garden, which I've had landscaped over the last few years.
We've got flowerbeds that come right up to the studio and
different paved and pebbled areas in the garden, a pond, a
row of fir trees and beyond that the church which you can
just see from the studio here, the church is many hundreds
of years old. Today, it's the middle of winter, and everything
is gripped in a very hard frost, all is silent and frozen.
Above us just a few crows make their way across the sky. The
studio and the house are built around a courtyard complex,
and the garden is surrounded by the house, so as I look out
of the window across to the house, at the moment I can see
five of my white fantailed doves resting on the roof. I brought
the doves into the garden a few years ago because I've always
loved birds, but apart from that I like to create the drama
of coming into the driveway and having an explosion of white
doves as you enter. They also create a peaceful aura to the
whole scene. It's important to me to have the studio overlooking
the garden because I use the garden as one of my main subjects,
so in the spring, fall or summer I just wander out with my
sketchpad, take notes and draw. There's always something growing
in the garden that will provide subject matter or some inspiration.
The studio is quite large and has a number
of different aspects; one of the other windows which adjoins
the area where I do all my monoprints overlooks the garden
in the same way, but has a view beyond the garden wall over
to the hills. From that studio you can see the snow-capped
Cross Fell at the moment, which is the highest mountain in
the Northern Pennines and the hill that dominates the Penrith
skyline, I've painted it on a number of occasions. From the
other side you look out over the Lake District mountains and,
once again, we have the snow-capped Blencathra, otherwise
known as Saddleback because of it's distinctive shape. From
the office window we overlook the lane coming into the village,
it winds away beneath us through the fields to Penrith and
the hill that rises just above Penrith called Penrith Beacon,
which is a pine tree clad hill with the houses of Penrith
nestled into its flank.
A little something now of the little village
of Newton Reigny and the environment that I live in and how
it inspires me. One of the reasons why I've chosen to live
out in the countryside instead of in the city is that I appreciate
a contemplative environment in which to work. The work itself
is pretty busy, obviously it's not just painting pictures,
it's also running a business, so it's a very peopled and very
demanding schedule in many ways, but when everybody goes home
there's just the quietness of the fields with sheep, rabbits,
horses and space to walk and breathe, think and pray and just
come back to a place of peace.
In answer to the question about whether
the age of Newton Reigny makes a difference to me, I think
the answer is "yes". The ancient history of the
area where we live definitely influences me, not so much in
the way that I paint about it, but when you walk around the
Lake District or around this area, you're so far from the
urbanized and modernized world that it does give a sense of
perspective to your thinking, and kind of grounds your work
in something which is more than the fashion conscious trends
of the modern world.
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About Simon Bull
A childhood spent in cultural centres of Europe, the jungles of South America, and the mountains of Southern China, have all combined to shape the creative vision of British-born Simon Bull who has since become one of the world's most compelling living artists. His work is collected by royalty, presidents, celebrities, and museums as well as a growing number of private collectors who find their lives enriched by the color and emotion of his work.
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